In this episode, I present material based on the second lesson I taught in my local Catholic parish inquiry program for 30 years. I’m not here to convert anyone. I’m just sharing my stories. In this episode, we explore the Catholic Church’s approach to authoritative teaching based not only on Scripture alone, as the Protestants do, but on a combination of sacred Scripture and sacred tradition.
Links of Interest for this episode
- Handout materials for this lesson: https://www.patreon.com/posts/130708591
- Francis of Assisi on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
- Prayer of St. Francis on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_of_Saint_Francis
- “Fiddler on the Roof” on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiddler_on_the_Roof
- Song “Tradition” from “Fiddler on the Roof” on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw
- The Second Vatican Council (Vatican II) on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council
- Sola Scriptura on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura
- “Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation” on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dei_verbum
- “Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation” at the Vatican website: https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-verbum_en.html
- “Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation”, my printable version: https://www.patreon.com/posts/130708866
- Marshall McLuhan on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan
- “Commissioning of the 72” in Luke 10: https://bible.usccb.org/bible/luke/10
- “The Need for Assistants” in Acts 6: https://bible.usccb.org/bible/acts/6
- Apostolic succession on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_succession
- List of popes on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes
- Scott Hahn on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Hahn
- Scott Hahn discusses Sola Scriptura on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQcpU9CIsDA
- 2 Timothy 3:16: https://bible.usccb.org/bible/2timothy/3?16
- Mark 7: https://bible.usccb.org/bible/mark/7
- Dr. Jim Divita obituary: https://www.indystar.com/obituaries/ins148901
General reference links for this series.
- List of episodes of this podcast dealing with religion: https://contemplating-life.com/blog/category/religion/
- RCIA/OCIA on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Christian_Initiation_of_Adults
- New American Standard Bible (NASB) at the US Conference of Catholic Bishops: https://bible.usccb.org/bible
- Bible Gateway (multiple translations available): https://www.biblegateway.com/
- Catechism of the Catholic Church on Vatican website: https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
- Dan McClellan on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@maklelan
- Dan McClellan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danmcclellann
- “Data over Dogma” podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@dataoverdogma
- New Testament scholar Bart D. Ehrman on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bartdehrman
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Shooting Script
Hello, this is Chris Young. Welcome to Episode 94 of Contemplating Life.
In this episode, I continue a multi-part series based on my 30 years teaching the Catholic faith in my local parish’s inquiry program.
As always, whenever I talk about religion, I’m not out to convert anyone. I’m just telling my stories.
I said I wasn’t going to offer an opening prayer for every lesson. However, as I reviewed my notes for this lesson, I see that I had prepared a pretty good opening prayer, so I will share it with you today. It is the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi. Francis was an Italian mystic, poet, and Catholic friar who lived from 1181 to 1228. He founded the religious order of the Franciscans. Inspired to lead a Christian life of poverty, he became a beggar and an itinerant preacher.
He received a calling from God to “rebuild the church.” At first, he believed this was a calling to rebuild a rundown church physically, but eventually realized he was being called to reform the entire Catholic Church.
He spent time among nature, communing with animals, and is known as a patron saint of animals and animal lovers. Fun fact: When out in the woods with the animals, he often wandered around naked. They don’t teach that part in your typical “Children’s Book of the Saints.” Anyway, our pastor would offer a special blessing to pets at St. Gabriel on the Feast of St. Francis. More details about Francis can be found in the description links for this episode. The prayer of St. Francis is quite popular in Catholic tradition, and there have been versions of it set to music as a hymn. Let us pray…
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen
In this episode, we start on the second lesson I taught for the RCIA program. The title is “Revelation and Sacred Tradition.”
Traditions are an important part of our culture. We have traditional ways of celebrating special occasions. On Memorial Day or Labor Day, we celebrate with family gatherings and cookouts. On Independence Day, we have fireworks and patriotic songs. Thanksgiving is a time for families to come together for a traditional meal and a day of watching football. We celebrate birthdays with cake, ice cream, and a traditional song.
Sporting events have developed traditions that are important to fans. The Indy 500 begins with a playing of Taps to commemorate Memorial Day. Someone sings “Back Home Again in Indiana.” An honored guest announces, “Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines.” The Kentucky Derby wouldn’t be the same without big, flowered hats, mint julep drinks, and the singing of “My Old Kentucky Home,” Take Me Out to the Ballgame,” and the seventh inning stretch are meaningful traditions in baseball.
Human beings are creatures of habit. Rituals and traditions are part of our very nature, even if those practices are not tied to religious belief. So it is no surprise that ritual and tradition are an integral part of our relationship with God.
Virtually all religions are steeped in traditions of one form or another.
Judaism, which is the precursor to Christianity, is steeped in every tradition. Anyone who has seen the musical “Fiddler on the Roof” might recall that there is a song about tradition. During an interlude in the song, Tevye describes various Jewish traditions and then says, “You may ask, how did this tradition get started? I’ll tell you. I don’t know. But it’s a tradition. And because of our traditions, every one of us knows who he is and what God expects him to do.”
I love that line, “And because of our traditions, every one of us knows who he is and what God expects him to do.”
His entire life is lived according to these traditions. His life has meaning because of his traditions. When conditions change, and he is forced to give up some of those traditions, it is a big challenge to his life.
Christianity is similarly steeped in tradition. Celebrations of Easter, Christmas, and other Christian practices are important expressions of our faith. I think many Christians could perhaps echo Tevye’s words and say that tradition helps define our relationship with God.
However, one of the main differences between Catholic and Protestant churches is the degree of importance of tradition.
Recall that our overall theme of these lessons is that our God is a God who speaks to us. Things have been revealed to us that we could not otherwise know had God not revealed them. One major difference between Catholic and Protestant doctrine is the method by which revelation is preserved and handed on to future generations authoritatively. Protestants believe in a doctrine called sola scriptura, which means “Scripture alone.” For them, the Bible is the only authoritative source of revealed information. In contrast, Catholics believe that both sacred Scripture and sacred tradition are authoritative ways to preserve and pass on revelation.
The Catholic Church has not always lived up to this philosophy of a balance between Scripture and tradition. For centuries, the emphasis was most decidedly on tradition over Scripture. Part of the reason for this was that the population was mostly illiterate. The church used the art and architecture of its worship spaces as multimedia presentations. Biblical stories were depicted in stained glass and paintings, such as on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Statues depict the lives of the saints who are our role models.
Then Gutenberg invented the printing press, and among the first things he produced were Bibles. The population gradually became more literate, but it took the Catholic Church a long time to catch up to the fact. They kept emphasizing tradition. “We’ll tell you what the Bible says and we’ll tell you what it means.”
It wasn’t until the early 1960s that the Second Vatican Council tried to put things back in balance. It decreed many reforms which reemphasized Scripture and insisted that Scripture be proclaimed in all of our liturgy, including celebrating the seven sacraments. While Scripture readings have always been an essential part of our Sunday Catholic mass, including Scripture in the sacraments was not widely practiced before Vatican II.
To explain and reaffirm the importance of sacred Scripture, Vatican II issued a document titled “Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation.” This document can be found in the opening pages of many Catholic Bibles and is available on the Vatican website, which I have linked. I’m going to read through portions of this document to explain the church’s position on the relative roles of Scripture and tradition.
I really enjoyed teaching this document in my classes because it affected people in opposite ways. Some of the people in the class were lifelong Catholics without much background in Scripture. So it was saying to them, not only do we need to preserve and protect and make use of our sacred traditions, we also need sacred Scripture. In contrast, the Protestants who were considering joining the church saw this document in the reverse light. They had been raised dedicated to Scripture, but the importance of tradition was a new concept to them.
So, let’s see what the church has to say about Scripture and tradition in the Vatican II Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation.
In paragraph 2, it explains that God chooses to reveal himself. It says, “This plan of revelation is realized by deeds and words having an inner unity:”
Remember that phrase, ”deeds and words.” You will hear it repeated many times.
“The deeds wrought by God in the history of salvation manifest and confirm the teaching and realities signified by the words, while the words proclaim the deeds and clarify the mystery contained in them. By this revelation, then, the deepest truth about God and the salvation of man shines out for our sake in Christ, who is both the mediator and the fullness of all revelation.”
As an aside, you may have heard of the author Marshall McLuhan, who famously said, “The medium is the message.” He was primarily talking about television, but the phrase is also applied to the internet. However, I think it perfectly describes Jesus. The message is that God loves us and forgives our sins. That message is delivered by Jesus. But he is the embodiment of that message. He is both the medium and the message. Or, as the Vatican document says, “Christ is both the mediator and the fullness of all revelation.”
Skip reading through paragraph three, it says, “God, who through the Word creates all things and keeps them in existence, gives men an enduring witness to Himself in created realities.” Recall that in an earlier episode, we talked about how some people discovered God by contemplating the wonders of nature. You can find God in those “created realities.”
Continuing, “… from the start manifested Himself to our first parents.” That is, Adam and Eve. Later it says, “He called Abraham in order to make of him a great nation Through the patriarchs, and after them through Moses and the prophets, He taught this people to acknowledge Himself the one living and true God, provident father and just judge, and to wait for the Savior promised by Him.” Of course, that Savior is Jesus.
Continuing with paragraph four: “Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, ‘now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son’ (Heb 1:1-2). For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God. Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as ‘a man to men.’ …Jesus perfected revelation by fulfilling it through His whole work of making Himself present and manifesting Himself: through His words and deeds,“ That phrase again… words and deeds. “His signs and wonders, but especially through His death and glorious resurrection from the dead and final sending of the Spirit of truth. The Christian dispensation, therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will never pass away, and we now await no further new public revelation before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ. “
What it means is that there will be no new revelation until Jesus returns in the final judgment at the end of time. However, we are constantly re-examining what has been revealed and coming to a deeper understanding of it. We have to reapply and interpret that revelation in the light of present-day circumstances.
Continuing: “Through divine revelation, God chose to show forth and communicate Himself and the eternal decisions of His will regarding the salvation of men. That is to say, He chose to share with them those divine treasures which totally transcend the understanding of the human mind.”
So, I think what it’s saying is even if we don’t understand God completely because he is so far beyond us that we can’t, he has revealed to us the part we can understand. We might struggle with that understanding. It takes centuries to really understand what God is saying.
Summarizing paragraph seven, it says, “What has been revealed will last forever in full integrity. This will happen because Jesus commissioned the apostles and commanded them to preach the good news. The apostles fulfilled that commission in two ways. One by their oral preaching, example, and observances, which they received from what Jesus said, from living with Him, from observing what he did, and what they deduced through the prompting of the Holy Spirit. The commission…” that is, the commission to hand on what was revealed, “…was also fulfilled by apostles and apostolic men who, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, put what they learned into writing.
So, we have two ways of passing on revelation—one through example and observances, and the other through the written word. Just imagine what it would have been like to travel with Jesus for approximately three years. There is no way you can write down all of those lived experiences. Yet, you could pass along that lived experience by the way in which you conducted yourself. You could create traditions that would pass along that lived experience.
Maybe that answers Tevye’s question, “Where did these traditions come from?” It comes from the lived experiences of the people of God.
It then explains that the apostles handed on that mission to their successors, who are the modern-day bishops of the church. Stories of the appointment of other people beyond the apostles can be found in Luke 10 and Acts 6
Paragraph eight says in part, “And so the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved by an unending succession of preachers until the end of time.”
Let’s talk about that phrase “ending succession.” The Catholic Church and some other denominations believe in a doctrine known as “Apostolic succession”. Jesus appointed the 12 apostles. They, in turn, appointed their successors. Who, in turn, appointed others, who appointed others, and so on. The church teaches that every bishop today was ordained by a bishop who was ordained by a bishop who was ordained by a bishop and so on in an unbroken succession all the way back to the original 12 apostles. Similarly, every priest has been ordained by a bishop who is part of that allegedly unbroken line of succession, all the way back to the original 12 apostles.
Peter was the leader of the 12 apostles and the first Bishop of Rome. He is considered to be the first pope of the Catholic Church. Our modern-day popes trace their heritage back to Peter.
While we don’t have 2000+ years of paperwork to prove it, the church still insists that apostolic succession has been maintained. No one can just pop up and declare themselves a priest or a bishop.
Continuing: “The Apostles, handing on what they themselves had received, warn the faithful to hold fast to the traditions which they have learned either by word of mouth or by letter and to fight in defense of the faith handed on once and for all. Now what was handed on by the Apostles includes everything which contributes toward the holiness of life and increase in faith of the people of God; and so the Church, in her teaching, life, and worship, perpetuates and hands on to all generations all that she herself is, all that she believes.
“This tradition, which comes from the Apostles, develops in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit, for there is a growth in the understanding of the realities and the words which have been handed down. This happens through the contemplation and study made by believers, who treasure these things in their hearts through a penetrating understanding of the spiritual realities which they experience, and through the preaching of those who have received through episcopal succession the sure gift of truth. For as the centuries succeed one another, the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their complete fulfillment in her.
Now, in paragraph nine, we get down to the meat of the business. It says, “Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end. For Sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit, while sacred tradition takes the word of God entrusted by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit to the Apostles, and hands it on to their successors in its full purity, so that led by the light of the Spirit of truth, they may in proclaiming it preserve this word of God faithfully, explain it, and make it more widely known.”
Here is the most important sentence in the document. “Consequently, it is not from Sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore, both sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence..
“Sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture form one sacred deposit of the word of God, committed to the Church.”
I like to think of it as one deposit with two methods of withdrawal.
Think about that again. “It is not from Sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed.” It is not sola scriptura as the Protestants believe. It is not data over dogma, as is promoted by my favorite scripture scholar, Dan McClellan. It is data and dogma in equal portions.
Continuing: “Holding fast to this deposit the entire holy people united with their shepherds remain always steadfast in the teaching of the Apostles, in the common life, in the breaking of the bread and in prayers, so that holding to, practicing and professing the heritage of the faith, it becomes on the part of the bishops and faithful a single common effort.”
That means it’s not just the clergy who are responsible for passing along sacred tradition. In our families and our everyday lives, when we participate in the traditions of the church by going to mass, celebrating the sacrament, praying traditional prayers, we join with the bishops in preserving these traditions and handing them on to our children and to future generations.
The document goes on to explain that the teaching authority of the church explains to us what Scripture means. It says, “This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed.
“It is clear, therefore, that sacred tradition, Sacred Scripture and the teaching authority of the Church, in accord with God’s most wise design, are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others, and that all together and each in its own way under the action of the one Holy Spirit contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.”
So, it’s not data over dogma. It’s not dogma over data. It’s not the authority of the church over all of that. It’s a three-pronged approach. You have the data – Scripture itself. You have the dogma – that’s the traditions. Then you have the church and its teaching authority, which helps us understand both.
I strongly encourage you to read the entire document. It goes on to explain more about what we believe about the importance of the Old Testament and the New Testament. The wording is a little bit difficult at times. You might find yourself rereading a sentence a couple of times to let it sink in. You should see the unedited version of this podcast. I got tongue-tied several times. There are references to Scripture quotes throughout that you might want to look up along the way.
Moving along…
As I’ve explained, this issue of sola scriptura is one of the main doctrinal differences between Catholic and Protestant denominations.
There are some significant problems with sola scriptura. The following discussion comes from the work of theologian Scott Hahn. You can find him on YouTube. I first heard of him from a lecture on cassette tape decades ago.
He was teaching at Presbyterian University and described himself as significantly anti-Catholic, not in a hateful way, per se. He just thought that Catholicism was wrong.
One day, a smart aleck student in the back of the class raised his hand and asked, “Uhh… Prof. Hahn… We believe in sola scriptura, right?”
“Yes, what is your point?”
“That means, if it’s not in the Bible, we don’t have to believe in it, right?”
“Yes.”
“So, where in the Bible does it say that Scripture is the only authority? Because if it’s not in the Bible, we don’t have to believe it.”
“Well… 2 Timothy 3:16 says, “All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, refuting errors, etc.”
“Okay, but all that says is that it is inspired and useful. It doesn’t really say Scripture alone.”
“Consider Mark 7 in which Jesus condemns the Pharisees for their human traditions which are contrary to God’s law.”
“Well… So what? What about those sacred traditions that are not contrary to Scripture? You still haven’t proven Scripture alone.”
The professor replied, “It’s in their. I’ll get back to you.”
That evening, Prof. Hahn, called his former professors explaining about the smart ass kid who challenged sola scriptura. They went through the same scripture quotes, such as 2 Timothy, Mark 7, and others, which still fail to prove Scripture alone.
Long story short…Scott Hahn converted to Catholicism. He has made it an essential part of his ministry to explain why sola scriptura doesn’t hold water. Here are his bullet points explaining the problems with sola scriptura:
- Non-scriptural: It is not found in scripture that God reveals by scripture alone. We’ve already mentioned some of the passages typically used to support it and why those passages don’t actually say anything implying Scripture alone.
- Non-historical: The Church (i.e., the community with its oral traditions) wrote the Bible. The community created the oral traditions that were later written down. You can have the Bible without the oral traditions.
- Illogical: What scripture? Our Church traditions tell us what books are or are not inspired.
- Impractical: We need the Church to provide official interpretations. Otherwise, scripture could mean anything. Obviously, that’s the problem we face. Without official interpretations, everyone comes up with ways to twist Scripture as proof text to support their social identity and political agenda.
- Improbable: Sola scriptura wasn’t even proposed until 1374 by John Wycliff. If we got by for one thousand, three hundred, and 74 years without it, how can we be sure it’s the right approach?
- Incoherent: The Bible is the sole authority… but anyone can interpret it. You don’t need the church to tell you what it means.
In fairness to the Protestants, at the time of the Protestant Reformation in the 1500s, there was widespread corruption in the church and its clergy. So anything that supported a corrupt central authority was going to be purged in the Reformation. If you don’t have a Pope, the Vatican, the College of Cardinals, and a Council of bishops, you have to turn to something to ground your faith. The obvious choice is to depend upon unchanging Scripture.
In this backlash against the corrupt clergy, people were taught that they could interpret the Bible themselves. You don’t need a church to tell you what it means. Of course, that didn’t stop Protestant clergy from telling people what it meant. So, if you wonder why we have thousands of Protestant denominations, this is a big part of the reason.
This idea that you can open up the Bible and figure out on your own is sometimes perverted into the practice of “Bible roulette.” That’s where you open up the Bible, point to a random page, and figure out what it means for yourself.
My colleague Jim Welter, who is my inspiration for much of this lesson, used to tell a joke about the perils of Bible roulette. Unfortunately, I can’t find notes on his original joke, but I will try to re-create it.
A guy opens the Bible to a random page. He lands on Mark 15:34, which says, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Well, that’s not very encouraging.
So, he tries again. This time it’s Matthew 27:5, which says, “he departed and went off and hanged himself.” That’s depressing, let’s try one last time.
He gets Luke 10:37, which says, “Go and do likewise.” And we wonder why religious people are messed up. You have to take everything in context with a knowledgeable background. You shouldn’t play Bible roulette.
The Protestant Reformation was a reaction to the corruption of the Catholic Church. But how did we get there?
I’m not extremely well-versed in church history. St. Gabriel was blessed to have Dr. Jim Divita, a history professor at Marian University, a local Catholic institution. He would come in and teach one or two lessons about church history. We may cover that topic in a future episode in about 10% of the detail that he did. I’m no expert.
Anyway, Dr. Divita theorized that the black plague worsened the corruption of the Catholic Church. Consider this: if you were sick with the plague, you would call the priest to anoint you or pray over you. The good priests answered that call, became infected, and died off. Lazy priests would stay home and survive. The vacuum left behind by the dedicated clergy who died was likely to be filled with people who sought to become clergy for less than spiritual reasons. Remember that in those days, the church wielded not only spiritual but political power as well as a great deal of wealth. So that attracted people who were not in it for the most noble purposes. Dr. Divta believed that this contributed to the corruption of the church. And I agree with him.
We will talk more about the corruption of the Middle Ages and the Protestant Reformation in a later episode.
We are going to wrap this up for today. In the next episode, we will continue our discussion of sacred tradition in more detail.
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